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/// FTPermutations /// http://www.webartery.com /// # From: "Talan Memmott" <talan@m...> # Date: Sat Dec 1, 2001 5:58 pm # Subject: Korea Web Art Festival http://www.koreawebart.org/ |||||||||||||||||||| # From: "Talan Memmott" <talan@m...> # Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 6:00 pm # Subject: Re: [webartery] Korea Web Art Festival Apparently 0100101110101101.ORG, one of the artists in the Korea Web Art exhibition ran something called 'FTPermutations' that ravaged some directories, changed names on files and ravaged a number of pieces within the exhibition... Leading to the Curator getting in trouble, The Korean Ministry of Culture being turned off now to Web Art, some angry participants.... To the Ministry of Culture this is merely a hack. In emails between participants and organizers, the reasons from the 0101010 people are not all that impressive.... It doesn't look good.... |||||||||||||||||||| # From: "][D(NA).fence][" <netwurker@h...> # Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 10:31 pm # Subject: Re: [webartery] Korea Web Art Festival At 10:00 AM 12/3/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Apparently 0100101110101101.ORG, one of the artists in the Korea Web Art >exhibition ran something called 'FTPermutations' that ravaged some >directories, changed names on files and ravaged a number of pieces within >the exhibition... > >Leading to the Curator getting in trouble, The Korean Ministry of Culture >being turned off now to Web Art, some angry participants.... >To the Ministry of Culture this is merely a hack. > >In emails between participants and organizers, the reasons from the 0101010 >people are not all that impressive.... > > >It doesn't look good.... > no, i bet it doesn't t. .....i tend 2 c this _n.tervention_ by 0100101110101101.ORG as an x.tended n.dic.a][c][tion of the schism that x.ists in terms of _real.world representative structures & net.wurked 1s........in terms of it corrupting_ a show d.signed 2 run in][tandem][side a gallery/museum frame.wurk ][in terms of .wav ramifications][, then 0100101110101101.ORG has succeeded......unfortunately i don't really think 0100101110101101.ORG's tac.ticks cut the professional mustard, in the sense that their n.terventions seem less n.clined 2 hi-lite the reticulative properties of the net.wurk & more n.clined 2 provoke the media......howeva, their actions here still ill.ustrate the dichoto.mous][e][ fragility when net.wurked l.ements r super.c.ded.......... chunkoids, ][mez][ |||||||||||||||||||| # From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim@p...> # Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 11:03 pm # Subject: Re: [webartery] Korea Web Art Festival I would have seen this as a hack - not "merely" - but I'd hope people would be aware of the context they're showing in - but 01etc. hasn't shown that - I do like them, have defended them in the past - Alan On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Talan Memmott wrote: > > > Apparently 0100101110101101.ORG, one of the artists in the Korea Web Art > exhibition ran something called 'FTPermutations' that ravaged some > directories, changed names on files and ravaged a number of pieces within > the exhibition... > > Leading to the Curator getting in trouble, The Korean Ministry of Culture > being turned off now to Web Art, some angry participants.... > To the Ministry of Culture this is merely a hack. > > In emails between participants and organizers, the reasons from the 0101010 > people are not all that impressive.... > > > It doesn't look good.... > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > |||||||||||||||||||| # From: "][D(NA).fence][" <netwurker@h...> # Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 11:13 pm # Subject: Re: [webartery] Korea Web Art Festival At 06:03 PM 12/3/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I would have seen this as a hack - not "merely" - but I'd hope people >would be aware of the context they're showing in - but 01etc. hasn't shown >that - I do like them, have defended them in the past - Alan i'd b n.terested 2 read their reasons 4 creating FTPermutations.... cheers, mez |||||||||||||||||||| # From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim@p...> # Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 11:14 pm # Subject: Re: [webartery] Korea Web Art Festival I'm not sure I would; if I were in the show and my work were attacked/ damaged, I'd read it as that - another attack, another indication that for some people anything on the Net can be violated. Which is great unless one is trying to build bridge institutions between the Net and museums or social services or political groupings etc. I tend to think of Net sites/domains/elists as privileged spaces, not universal rights - they take work to set up and maintain, and at least with the art it's a losing proposition financially. Curators go out on a limb for this. So to see it attacked - to see other artists attacked - is awful, if that's the case. What if every artist decided to do this? Should museums host the equivalent of junkyard wars? And what does the PUBLIC or VIEWER get out of this, except for a lot of agro male crap? There's enough of that on the rest of the Net - Alan On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, ][D(NA).fence][ wrote: > At 06:03 PM 12/3/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > >I would have seen this as a hack - not "merely" - but I'd hope people > >would be aware of the context they're showing in - but 01etc. hasn't shown > >that - I do like them, have defended them in the past - Alan > > i'd b n.terested 2 read their reasons 4 creating FTPermutations.... > > cheers, > mez > |||||||||||||||||||| # From: Jennifer Ley <jtley@h...> # Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 11:22 pm # Subject: Re: [webartery] Korea Web Art Festival "][D(NA).fence][" wrote: > > i'd b n.terested 2 read their reasons 4 creating FTPermutations.... > I'd be interested too. I also don't know anything about this group ie. who they are, where they're from ... the point being I'm sure that it shouldn't matter but I do remain curious. Jen |||||||||||||||||||| # From: "][D(NA).fence][" <netwurker@h...> # Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 11:32 pm # Subject: Re: [webartery] Korea Web Art Festival At 06:14 PM 12/3/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I'm not sure I would; if I were in the show and my work were attacked/ >damaged, I'd read it as that - another attack, another indication that for >some people anything on the Net can be violated. sure alan, but as i'm not 2 sure of 0100101110101101.ORG's n.tentions i'd really like 2 abso.r][ead][b their motivations.......get a sense of con.text that is obviously ab.sent...... >Which is great unless one >is trying to build bridge institutions between the Net and museums or >social services or political groupings etc. yes. i suppose it comes down 2 just _how_ those links b.tween real.world & net.wurk platforms r b.ing forged...if they land heavily on the side of consumption or re.appropriation, then i guess this typ][o][e _radical_ ][shudder, sorry i hate that wurd as much as any1;)][ n.tervention is almost understandable....... >I tend to think of Net sites/domains/elists as privileged spaces, not >universal rights - they take work to set up and maintain, and at least >with the art it's a losing proposition financially. Curators go out on a >limb for this. So to see it attacked - to see other artists attacked - is >awful, if that's the case. What if every artist decided to do this? Should >museums host the equivalent of junkyard wars? i c yr point alan, but u could rewire this 2 read "wot if hackers/alterators had no viable spaces in which 2 perform their interventions?"......... >And what does the PUBLIC or VIEWER get out of this, except for a lot of >agro male crap? There's enough of that on the rest of the Net - yes, which partially alludes 2 my reasons 4 thinking 0100101110101101.ORG is ][sub][standard in their @tempts 2 illustrate how the net.wurk can operate on an i][n][t][rinisically][ermeshed lvl...... hence me wanting 2 read their x.planations.........:) chunk.lee, mez |||||||||||||||||||| # From: "][D(NA).fence][" <netwurker@h...> # Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 11:49 pm # Subject: Re: [webartery] Korea Web Art Festival At 06:22 PM 12/3/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I'd be interested too. I also don't know anything about this group ie. who >they are, where they're from ... the point being I'm sure that it shouldn't >matter but I do remain curious. > >Jen heya jen, long thyme no type;) [first, congrats on amn.meander, wurked my way thru it & was very n.gaged]. 0100101110101101.ORG have been around a while, have previously hacked other well.known net.art gallery sites such as art.teleportacia by olia lialina & hell.com [which both caused a huge a.mount of controversy @ the time]......so they r well established........ i'm sure they were interviewed 4 nettime a while back, i'll do a search and c if i can find it...... cheery.ohs, mez |||||||||||||||||||| # From: "Talan Memmott" <talan@m...> # Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 12:04 am # Subject: Re: [webartery] Korea Web Art Festival No files were destroyed.... Just moved, renamed, added to... In general, yes, I have liked what they have been doing.... On the other hand this strikes me as severely misguided in context.... And, I truly feel for the curator in this regard..... It seems. that the Korean Ministry of Culture thinks of this whole thing -- the exhibition, the 'action' -- as a rip-off.... Here is the 0100101110101101.ORG statement -- post facto -- to the artists... """"" the reactions of some of the involved artists show by themselves the importance of this action, if nothing more even just to show how far from its roots is net.culture going -- and net.art in particular --. if anybody of you have ever had a website in a do-it-yourselfe-server you'd know that this kind of pranks happens quite often, and these reactions simply confirm a complete lack of sense of humour and irony, which is something that has always let the net being such a funny place. these reaciton reminds me the one of traditional painters arguing at the Biennials because their painting has been hanged a couple of centimeters too right, or the lights are too strong, or the water is not cold enough and all this shit that have always characterised the traditional art world. renaming some directories is nothing serious nor dangerous. taking yourselves too seriously can get dangerous. """"" I guess this was done to save the soul of the likes of me.....[?] OK...... But really, the action in this context seems rather adolescent.... And, in another regard one that seizes power in the name of some nostalgic political ideal... Yes, agreed net.culture has moved from its roots.... What does fucking up peoples work have to do with that... Mez's point: """" in terms of it _corrupting_ a show d.signed 2 run in][tandem][side a gallery/museum frame.wurk ][in terms of .wav ramifications][, then 0100101110101101.ORG has succeeded...... """" Suceeded in really doing what, pointing to what, proving what.....? That servers are vulnerable....? That they can get someone in the real world fired...? |||||||||||||||||||| # From: "][D(NA).fence][" <netwurker@h...> # Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 12:09 am # Subject: found the 0100101110101101.ORG n.terview http://www.nettime.org/nettime.w3archive/199912/msg00064.html after a quick read i remembered they also hacked jodi's site -ooh, how criminal_ of me 2 4get that!;)..they also have a virus piece in this years biennial...]..i think they r italian from memory? ][i may b waaaay off track there though][....... talan, just wanted 2 ask if they actually _hacked_ the main korean web.fest site [as in manifested control ova the main n.terface], or whether they restricted themselves 2 alterations via their section only....if they only re.wurked the site & had it linked from their project section, then this makes the world of difference in terms of their n.tent][ions][........also, where u familar with their wurk b4 agreeing 2 enter the festival? i must say, after actually looking at FTPermuations i find the piece fine.ly exe.cuted & quite obvious ][iconically][....... chunks, mez |||||||||||||||||||| # From: "Talan Memmott" <talan@m...> # Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 12:06 am # Subject: Re: [webartery] Korea Web Art Festival > >I'm not sure I would; if I were in the show and my work were attacked/ > >damaged, I'd read it as that - another attack, another indication that for > >some people anything on the Net can be violated. > > > sure alan, but as i'm not 2 sure of 0100101110101101.ORG's n.tentions i'd > really like 2 abso.r][ead][b their motivations.......get a sense of > con.text that is obviously ab.sent...... > In what context would this be appropriate...? > >Which is great unless one > >is trying to build bridge institutions between the Net and museums or > >social services or political groupings etc. > > yes. i suppose it comes down 2 just _how_ those links b.tween real.world & > net.wurk platforms > r b.ing forged...if they land heavily on the side of consumption or > re.appropriation, then i guess this typ][o][e _radical_ ][shudder, sorry i > hate that wurd as much as any1;)][ n.tervention is almost understandable....... I am sorry but I am not going to grant 0100101110101101.ORG a white hat for this one.... /// FTPermutations /// http://www.webartery.com /// _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://amsterdam.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold