Re: [Nettime-bold] Nettime-Bold and You

[Josephine Bosma <jesis@xs4all.nl>]

dear me! and dear Scott


Major fuck up on my part! I took the first dec I saw for the last dec.
My appologies for that. It means I have to look back at the messages
more carefully to come back to your extremely punctual analyses of the
situation, but in general the moderated nettime and bold are not much
alike. Not just because there is no spam on the moderated version. It is
really not fair to say the messages that are missing don't make any
difference. Also there might be times when more messages are posted to
-l by mods without them bothering to send them to bold maybe?

The reason I say pay does not have anything to do with it is that the
last few years I have become a bit annoyed with this excuse, especially
from the nettime moderators. I don't say the following to boast, as in
general I don't care much about it, but I come from a background of
dutch squatters culture in which volunteer work is quite normal. The
exchange economy in real life so to speak. There is no reason whatsoever
to say that if something is wrong with your work or the result of your
voluntary work that you just could not do better because you do/did not
get paid. What you do you do because you believe it should be done (and
so do nettime mods I assume) and therefore it should also be done well.
Or am I mistaken? If you feel you can't do the work well because you do
not get paid for it then don't do it. You only create false hopes
otherwise.

I also believe the messages problem is a technical one. Or one that
needs a technical solution. If too many people post to the mod-insiders
adress, then maybe it is time these had a new adress. And that they do
not encourage anybody, also not ex-mods, to post to their adress.


J
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respectfully,



J
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scotartt wrote:
> 
> Josephine,
> 
> That archive is from 1995! So perhaps instead of blaming the moderation
> team, you might consider alternative  explanations. Which archive are you
> even looking at? The one I see at nettime.org contains none of those
> messages.
> 
> You can check this for yourself here;
> http://amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-0112/threads.html
> 
> The list that you quote is Dec 1995;
> http://amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9512/threads.html
> 
> I don't normally use the archive for anything as I maintain my own
> personal one, so it only took me a few seconds to find the relevant
> information.
> 
> It would have been nice of you to have sent the message below to me
> personally also. As it was I was only aware of the serious disinformation
> that was being written because it was forwarded to me my someone else.
> 
> And with respect, the fact that I don't get paid to debug your archive
> usage is very pertinant to me. It's not even moderation work. Also what I
> don't get paid to do, which is to say what I volunteer my labour for, is
> to moderate nettime-l; I don't recall nettime-bold being on the brief when
> I answered the call. Certainly not wasting my time with what is looks to
> me like a disinformation campaign, being waged behind my back (to take the
> most uncharitable view possible, which I hope is not the actual case).
> 
> regards
> scot.
> 
> DISCLAIMER: I'm speaking personally, not for the rest of the mod team who
> may have different perpsectives or views to mine.
> 
> Josephine wrote;
> 
> > Therefore more than 4 out of 5 messages sent to -l are also found
> > on -bold.
> 
> from the on line archive december 2001:
> 
>      THE REVIVAL OF THE MEDIA UTOPIAS by Richard Barbrook Pit Schultz
>      political media consultants (English) t byfield
>      political media consultants (Deutsch) t byfield
>      (HOL) Big Brother, Inc. Dave Del Torto
>      THE MEDIA LIST 1/2 Pit Schultz
>      THE MEDIA LIST 2/2 Pit Schultz
>      No Subject Geert Lovink
>           <Possible follow-up(s)>
>           No Subject Drazen Pantic
>           No Subject Anonymous
>      DCD2 Gomma@decoderbbs.csmtbo.mi.cnr.it (Gomma) (by way of Pit
> Schultz )
>      DCD1 Gomma@decoderbbs.csmtbo.mi.cnr.it (Gomma) (by way of Pit
> Schultz )
>      Kr+cF_interview1.01 Paolo Atzori
>      Kr+cF_interview1.02 Paolo Atzori
>      Postscript on the Societies of Control - Gilles Deleuze Pit Schultz
>      digology Mark Tribe
>      Space Exploration Jed
>      irc /join #nettime 12/27/95 21:00 MEZ Pit Schultz
>      Art in America (Art 'R' Us) t byfield
>      FWD: Attack on Italian Social Center (fwd) Matthew Fuller
>      Emmanuel Levinas Pit Schultz
> 
> Is something wrong with my account that 4 out of 5 of these messages
> have been in bold (as you claim) but not in my mailbox?
> 
> With all regards, please don't use the 'we are not paid for what we do'
> line again. That has nothing to do with it.
> 
> J
> 
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