Re: <nettime> On Empire (2x)

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     "Giuseppe Caravita" <bcaravita@public.iunet.it>                                 

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     Tom_Gray@Mitel.COM                                                              



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Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 22:34:00 +0200
From: "Giuseppe Caravita" <bcaravita@public.iunet.it>
Subject: Re: <nettime> On Empire

McKenzie Wark said:

> This is the area there Hardt and Negri let us down,
> IMHO, in not thinking through the way new forms of
> property (IP) create new class relations (vectoralist
> vs hacker).
>
> Why do we let the media restrict the meaning of the
> word 'hacker'? The media criminalise it, or use it
> to describe a very limited set of computer innovators.
> We are all hackers, and we are a class. We just don't
> know it -- yet.

Sure. Exactly for that reason We have to think about this statement:
"Ip has to be impermanent as the Hypercapitalism gain speed. Otherways our
commons will be destroyed. Consequence: the global disequilibrium."

ciao
Beppe Caravita



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Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:41:08 -0400
From: Tom_Gray@Mitel.COM
Subject: Re: <nettime> On Empire




This is an interesting 'engineer-as-victim' point of view but it is one
that does not fit reality. If we are discussing the operations of high
technology companies then there can be no valid identification of a
management and a hacker class. Additionally engineers cannot be seen as an
exploited group distinct from management.. Functions intermingle. These
corporations are typically engineering driven with their plans and visions
set by the ambitions and world views of the engineers who populate them.




Morlock Elloi <morlockelloi@yahoo.com>@bbs.thing.net on 05/30/2002 12:03:55


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