David Garcia on Mon, 8 Apr 2019 17:00:49 +0200 (CEST) |
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Re: <nettime> Not Brexit |
Appologies to Morlock who rightly berated those of us obsessed with arcane and ridiculous parliamentary shenanigans of a small or medium size country of diminishing relevance. So yes I do struggle to understand my own obsession. Except to say that it is the most fantastic and excuisite mess. Or to put it another way its a genuine ‘event’, one those moments when a system reveals itself BECAUSE it has gone so spectacularly awry. The moment the result of the referendum came in it was immediately clear that there was now a BEFORE and an AFTER and that the Brexit event would in future years appear to create its own precursors. Thats why if you live here its like staring at the Sun and proably as dangerous. ——————————————— Heiko It is my understanding that without MEPs sitting in Parliament we are from an institutional point of view OUT. That is why May is fighting so hard to avoid participatingin these elections. And make no mistake there is no stopping the clock on the European elections. Revoke should be the very very last resort as it would be a very big slap in the face for those who voted in good faith. But it should (like the ejector seat) remain an option if it was clear that we were on the brink of crashing out. The best outcome in my view is we press the pause button for at least a year. And (dream scenario here) convene citizens forums focused on close examinations of what the trade offs actually entail. This was very successful in the Irish abortion refferendum. A talented leader could play the role of national explainer helping to candidly lay out the trade offs and drawing the threads together rather than acting like an advocate for the status quo as Cameron did allowing Leave to occupy the role of insurgents. In this way Corbyn may been wise in what looks like fence sitting as it opens up the possibility of him acting as honest broker in some future vote.. There is no simple way out of the “mad riddle" of Brexit. David Garcia On 8 Apr 2019, at 14:53, Heiko Recktenwald <heikorecktenwald@googlemail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > > > Am 07/04/19 um 12:57 schrieb David Garcia: >> BUT HERE'S THING- Remainers Must hope and fight to hold those European Elections otherwise we will be legally out. > > > No, you would have broken EU law, thats all. Maybe the agreement as > well. They could cancel it if it were a treaty. But they just stopped > the clock one more time -- until a certain still unknow date, lets hope > they do. The safest way would be to revoke "Brexit" and forget "direct > democracy". But to revoke would be action. And it is still possible that > they do nothing ("passive aggressivness"). > > > Best, H. > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: