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"Nina Temporär" <nina-temp@gmx.de>Date: Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 3:59 AM
Subject: Aw: Re: <nettime> Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can change it.
To: Molly Hankwitz <
mollyhankwitz@gmail.com>
Hi Molly,
Thanks, I have a similar perspective , but wasnt allowed to post it on nettime - unfortunately it seems that disallowing Andreas to disseminate Standard sexist phrases like I Would probably have no other topics than sexism, has put me on a watch list.
So, even if we have different opinions about JA, Would you mind forwarding this? (see below, only that Part. ) Thanks!
I am esepecially concerned about this new regulation ruling out the big names, as Ted and Felix explicitly came up with it after I asked them for help in relation to the onlist sexism and racism and offlist Harrassment by JA disciples (no big names) I was exposed to after critisizing JA. But the current development is nothing I Would have endorsed - it doesnt heal the racism of a Morlock Elloi, it only leads to the big names writing privately somewhere Else, which is a pity. I mean, the amount of New people writing here is great, but I dont see why both couldnt coexist.
Best N
My mail that didnt get through:
I wasn't in favor of the priniciple of disallowing
the people who usually write here to continue with the same frequency. They probably now simply discuss in private, elsewhere.
But I think it's great that so many "new" people are writing here.
Saying nettime would have lost its quality is an insult right into the face of these people. And not even true. And sometimes phrasing new perceptions needs a while - and is a courageous endeavour -
whereas following beaten paths of the discursive findings of paßt decades might gleam with terminological perfection, but reveal at best only extra layers of outdated truths.
Especially in the field of tech/media one should always be aware of this - even more so, as not only the technology we are using is rapidly changing, but also the brains of new generations suceeding
as recipients of these.
That said, I always did like the discourse the nettime Community was known for, and I'd regard it as a loss if it was impossible for both to co-exist here. But trying to artificially presevere only that one approach here feels like calling for it to become an exhibit in the museum of natural history, with its own display, boxed in under glass, and with its protagontists guaranteed a part in the next sequel of "Night at the Museum"... (although that'd be kinda cute).
N
Gesendet: Samstag, 29. Juni 2019 um 16:11 Uhr
Von: "carlo von lynX" <
lynX@time.to.get.psyced.org>
An:
nettime-l@kein.org
Betreff: Re: <nettime> Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can change it.
I'll keep it short as I've said it before some years ago…
I think the pro-active moderation was the whole specialty
of nettime, fostering high quality and inclusiveness. Since
you dropped that (possibly because it was too much work, so
I'm not blaming) the list slowly lost its focus just as all
the sociologic research I look into predicted… maybe Pit
can give it the original pitch back? Hugs from NK, C.
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> Gesendet: Samstag, 29. Juni 2019 um 22:23 Uhr
> Von: "Molly Hankwitz" <
mollyhankwitz@gmail.com>
> An: "carlo von lynX" <
lynX@time.to.get.psyced.org>
> Cc:
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> Betreff: Re: <nettime> Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can change it.
>
> Carlo and nettime!
>
> Thank you for this, Carlo. I could not agree more, the deliberate effort of
> mods to put material that is provocative and worthy on the list...BUT, it
> may also be, and this is where mods could also help...that the great net
> debates have disappeared or died out. There are new debates, but who is
> framing them relative to networks.
>
> The question comes up more and more - where is the whole idea of networks
> that was once? Answer: sorry, social media has everyone blissed out on
> their own screen.
>
> The great debates that enlivened networks of the 90s, have become muddled
> to the point that "networks" per se don't seem to carry much weight online
> - now its the app, its the website - which don't always reflect a living
> community of net-users as we know...or maybe we are imagining networks
> differently than before and that does not help. Common interests which
> drove the formulation of networks and network 'flows' seem to have been
> replaced by something else. Who is the we of any network now...
>
> I don't know...that was my feeling when I read this. So, yes, we need the
> heavies, maybe...to frame the debates so we can bat our own balls back and
> forth and to and fro on nettime.
>
> Molly
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 7:12 AM carlo von lynX <
lynX@time.to.get.psyced.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I'll keep it short as I've said it before some years ago…
> > I think the pro-active moderation was the whole specialty
> > of nettime, fostering high quality and inclusiveness. Since
> > you dropped that (possibly because it was too much work, so
> > I'm not blaming) the list slowly lost its focus just as all
> > the sociologic research I look into predicted… maybe Pit
> > can give it the original pitch back? Hugs from NK, C.
> >
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