Re: <nettime> The List needs a new Topic

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On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 7:54 PM <tbyfield@panix.com> wrote:

Yes please, and thank you, Geert. The endless navel-gazing of the WEIRD nations’ senescence is recursively dull. The point is not what do the usual suspects think about China (or whatever proxy you like), it’s whether they — we — can extend the nettime project. Not so it can absorb new milieus; if anything, so it can be absorbed by them.

Cheers, Ted

On Jan 20, 2021, 4:01 AM -0500, Geert Lovink , wrote:

On 19 Jan 2021, at 9:52 pm, bronac ferran <bronacf@gmail.com> wrote:

The List needs a new Topic

Bronac, I agree. This was a tense thread, but also a worthty enof the Trump er
On a bright note, look at this video again: Trump rapping China, China, China:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs

In general it would be would for nettime to focus more on China :) Or let’s be more clear, to fellow Chinese critics, artists, coders, theorists, researchers and other dreamers. To get an understanding of the Party and its relation to the business elites is one, but can we still have a direct dialogue with people out there? Or how dialogues with Hong Kong? How are people coping there, after the great showdown of 2019-2020? How can we strenghten ties with critical forces in Taiwan?

With Trump gone our own Chinese Question (and how to relate with the official forces there) will be even more important as the authoritian grip of the Xi regime is only further tightening. Will you except an invitation from a school or art institution in Shanghai? Will there be a cultural boycott of China soon? In whose interest owuld this be? Has Hong Kong already lost its status aparte for you?

What else is there to discuss on nettime as the world moves on to Telegram and Signal? What to make of social media governance? I do not think this will get us anywhere... Internet as public infrastructure aka stack… yes. The clash of cultures and strategies in the (de)centralization debate are unresolved. Can federation scale? How to dismantle Google and Facebook?

Ciao, Geert

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