Re: <nettime> FSB 'dissident' voice

[thresholdpeople <thresholdpeople@protonmail.com>]

That interview with Grozev is from March 2, and the tweets are from March 5, facebook post from March 4.

The letter mentioned in the interview might be a different one?




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On Sunday, March 13th, 2022 at 6:50 PM, Felix Stalder <felix@openflows.com> wrote:

> David,
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> thanks for pointing this out. Quite strange, because this is the same
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> person from bellingcat who shared the text in the first place, including
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> some background how he checked the authenticity. Now he does not even
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> mention this when discounting the document and how the media fell for it.
>
> Felix
>
> On 13.03.22 20:10, David Garcia wrote:
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> > I might be confused but I wonder if this statement at about 37 min into
> >
> > this youtube seminar given by Christo Grozev calls the veracity of this
> >
> > FSB dissident into question ?
> >
> > https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/calendar/insights-bellingcat-russias-ukraine-ambitions
> >
> > https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/calendar/insights-bellingcat-russias-ukraine-ambitions
> >
> > I remember reading a less rough translation of this text by Igor Sushko
> >
> > which he posted as a twitter thread which I saw as a re-tweet from
> >
> > Felix. I remember thinking
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> > that it was too good to be true. But as I was informed the source was
> >
> > Bellingcat this gave me hope that it might be accurate. It looks like I
> >
> > was right to be sceptical.
> >
> > --------------------------------------
> >
> > Greetings nettimers after an absence of oh, two decades.
> >
> > I've been following a bit the last couple weeks of posts on Ukraine and
> >
> > related subjects and there's much to meditate on. And thanks to Ted
> >
> > Byfield for pointing me in the general direction of this discussion.
> >
> > I wanted to call your attention to a rather remarkable document that
> >
> > Christo Grozev (of Bellingcat) dropped last Saturday, seemingly written
> >
> > by an FSB 'dissident' (to the extent that such a term can be used in
> >
> > that context):
> >
> > https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500196510054637569
> >
> > https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500196510054637569
> >
> > Here's the rough-and-ready English translation:
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> > https://pastebin.com/2agMRGmd https://pastebin.com/2agMRGmd
> >
> > ...and there's a German translation in the twitter thread. Weirdly, the
> >
> > 'voice' of the author immediately reminded me of the Scientist character
> >
> > in Tarkovsky's /Stalker/. You know the one, he smuggled a portable nuke
> >
> > into The Zone.
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