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Quick notes about the French context (Fr?d?ric Neyrat)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 12:30:57 -0500From: Fr?d?ric Neyrat <fneyrat@gmail.com>Cc: a moderated mailing list for net criticismSubject: <nettime> Quick notes about the French contextMessage-ID:<CABB5BS1aybgxThXrhbTEQnBpwxD94z5WZHaryK54-cstKKEZvQ@mail.gmail.com">CABB5BS1aybgxThXrhbTEQnBpwxD94z5WZHaryK54-cstKKEZvQ@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"1) "A left majority": it's a possibility at least, because Macron's partyis not that strong and going through difficult alliances; the RassemblementNational (Lepen/ far right) might be seen as unable to really challengeMacronism and for this reason the left alliance might be seen as a realpolitical alternative: people in the US and elsewhere do not really know,maybe, how Macron is hated, and for legitimate reasons.The political scheme is the following:- Lepen = fascist State based on neoliberalism;- Macron = neoliberalism using fascist methodsM?lanchon might be seen as the only option to avoid theMacron-Lepen tandem, a tandem that we get stuck with since Pinochet (eithera fascist State based on neoliberalism,or neoliberalism using fascist methods).2) What is "interesting" in the current situation is that all thehypocrite people who voted for Macron for the second round of theFrench presidential election to "faire barrage ? l'extr?me-droite/to blockthe far-right," but who have not done what would have been the onlyefficient way to do so during the first round, i.e. having voted forM?lanchon, are now compelled to acknowledge that they are not leftists anylonger, but rightist. I mean: the fact of the leftist alliance produces aclarification of the political landscape.3) Does it mean that M?lanchon is my cup of tea? No: he comes from theSocialist Party, he is still someone who struggles with understanding thatimperialism is not anylonger a US privilege, he said stupid things aboutSyria, etc. But I never saw anyone else able to evolve in the gooddirection as he did (about feminism for instance, and about ecology).4) An anecdote: on May 19, 2021, a day of infamy, the cops demonstrated infront of the French National Assembly, against the judicial institution,accompanied by the Minister of the Interior and the leaders of theSocialist, Communist, and Europe Ecology-Les Verts parties. The only partythat was not present was the one of M?lanchon. Only for that, glory be tohim.FNOn Wed, May 4, 2022 at 9:49 AM <analoguehorizon@gmail.com> wrote:> What are the odds of a left majority parliament in France?>>>> On Wed, 4 May 2022 at 02:26, Brian Holmes <bhcontinentaldrift@gmail.com>> wrote:>>> That's brilliant Frederic. I have not followed French politics for years>> and I am glad to hear what you say!>> Here, maybe I am missing it, but it seems there is no parallel.>> Tell more about it, what you think are the strong points.>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 3:19 PM Fr?d?ric Neyrat <fneyrat@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>>> dear Brian,>>>>>> "Archaic communism" is certainly a wrong way to speak about M?lanchon: I>>> mean, it's certainly what Macron thinks, what all the persons who used to>>> vote for the "Parti Socialiste" (sic) in order to set up a neolibreal>>> society think, what many former leftists in Multitudes think (some>>> renegades, to use Badiou's concept), but to call "archaic communist" an>>> anti-nuclear Party promoting one of the most daring ecological programs>>> that exists nowadays is weird, to say the least. That being said, there are>>> many problems in La France Insoumise, but M?lanchon was able to evolve in>>> so many good ways that, well, what do you want? And it seems that a leftist>>> coalition is possible these days for the next elections. That's not bad I>>> think. That's something al least.>>>>>> In solidarity,>>>>>> Fr?d?ric>>> __________________________________>>> ________________>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 3:08 PM Brian Holmes <>>> bhcontinentaldrift@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>> I think this debate is totally interesting, and I certainly would be>>>> against screening articles for political correctness! The latter can only>>>> be achieved by debate and real understanding.>>>>>>>> What's characteristic about this moment is that established political>>>> positions have collapsed, including that of the socialist Left whose>>>> blindspot has always been communist authoritarianism, whether historical in>>>> the case of the USSR or extant in the Chinese case. This could be an>>>> important chance for everyone to learn something new, and crucially, to>>>> come up with new policies. But it isn't happening, not yet anyway. Instead>>>> we have a "fog of partisanship" in which center left, center right and far>>>> left all rehash their worldviews, even as the old authoritarian demons>>>> reassert themselves and the new challenges of climate change start getting>>>> serious. The victor of the ideological struggle, for the moment, is the>>>> emergent national-populist right, whose core program of deglobalization and>>>> re-shoring is buried under culture wars and the thrill of polarization. We>>>> may soon get the chance to see what that buried agenda gets turned into in>>>> the USA, where the culture-war rhetoric appears primed to score major>>>> electoral victories.>>>>>>>> Under these conditions it becomes harder to categorize and label>>>> individual positions. As in the case of Applebaum, valuable concepts and>>>> assessments are mixed with confusion and self-justification. You have to>>>> simultaneously identify the true parts AND remember the enormous mistakes>>>> that these individuals have made, as well as the horrors perpetrated within>>>> policy networks that they still support. It is so easy for an old Cold>>>> Warrior to talk about the cities bombed during WWII, and still easier to>>>> just forget Fallajuh in Iraq, where the Americans, acting in a rebooted>>>> Cold War mode, committed one of the most murderous acts in human history.>>>> To think there is no danger of another Fallujah is, imho, as naive as to>>>> think that Russia should not be confronted today.>>>>>>>> The article that Michael Benson sent on Applebaum continually makes the>>>> point that she is unable to ascribe any fault to her own side for>>>> generating the fascistic national-populism that so many of her old friends>>>> now embrace. Perhaps the author is keenly aware that the center left is, if>>>> anything, worse on that score. Global neoliberalism and the ardent belief>>>> that borderless commerce would soothe the slumbering authoritarian beast>>>> were the creations of the center-left in the Clinton-Blair-Schroeder years.>>>> Not only did that fail spectacularly with Russia and China, it also failed>>>> with the US, British, French and perhaps other working classes, leaving>>>> them desperate on both the economic and cultural levels, and therefore open>>>> to all kinds of opportunistic rhetoric.>>>>>>>> I was certain that capitalist globalization would ruin national systems>>>> of solidarity, spark a populist backlash and supercharge climate change, so>>>> I opposed it. Now in the US, neither the center nor the far left can even>>>> talk about political economy in any coherent way - the center because it>>>> can't admit abysmal failure, and the socialist left, because it has>>>> accepted its role in the culture war, which is to call the other side>>>> racist pigs and consider that a platform. In France the situation is worse:>>>> the center parties have disappeared in favor of a national-populism aligned>>>> with Russia (Le Pen), a catch-up neoliberalism that arrived decades too>>>> late to succeed (Macron) and what looks to me like another archaic>>>> communism (Melenchon). What you don't see are assessments of the major>>>> trends attendant on capitalist globalization: their origins, their effects,>>>> and the ways to valuably intervene.>>>>>>>> thoughtfully, Brian>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 6:11 AM allan siegel <>>>> allansiegel@internet-mail.org> wrote:>>>>>>>>> Dear Michael and Nettimers,>>>>>>>>>> I do not favour a pre-screening of articles or anything of the like.>>>>> Rather I am concerned about pointing out and contextualizing certain>>>>> political arguments. Although she may think otherwise Applebaum represents>>>>> a strata of opinion makers that specialises in a specific political>>>>> terrain; in her case the Soviet Union, Eastern and Central Europe, etc. She>>>>> operates within binary paradigms of East vs. West, democracies vs.>>>>> autocracies etc.. She sits in an intellectual grandstand formulating>>>>> opinions not exactly based on rigorous research but rather stemming from a>>>>> form of entitlement in which the publications and books she has written>>>>> spotlight and self-validate her opinions. She is not alone in her role as>>>>> an ideological agent whose mission is to buttress forms of political>>>>> discourse that take place within specified boundaries. These forms of>>>>> delimited discourse are the bedrock of mainstream media - within the U.S.>>>>> especially. A mainstream wherein the voices of activist movements in the>>>>> U.S. have been historically marginalised, silenced and sometimes killed. I>>>>> am simply stating facts here.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, let me cut to the chase: the CIA, FBI, and all the various stripes>>>>> of intelligence agencies have used journalists and writers as pollinators>>>>> of skewed opinions and ostensible facts in order to maintain a>>>>> superficially neutral status quo - all under the banner of a so-called>>>>> democracy.>>>>>>>>>> Given the current extreme political tensions, and the proposals to>>>>> hopefully avoid a full-out war and resolve the crisis, I was prompted to>>>>> draw attention to Anne Applebaum's bona fides and the pool within which she>>>>> swims. Especially given the clouds of misinformation floating across the>>>>> horizon.>>>>> Best>>>>>>>>>> Allan>>>>>>>>>> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission>>>>> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism,>>>>> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets>>>>> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l>>>>> # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:>>>>>>>> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission>>>> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism,>>>> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets>>>> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l>>>> # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:>>>>>> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission>> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism,>> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets>> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l>> # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:>>-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...------------------------------# distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission# <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism,# collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets# more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-lEnd of nettime-l Digest, Vol 176, Issue 11******************************************
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