Re: <nettime> nettime back and running

[paul <paul@denknerd.org>]

Hey Felix,

It actually came up in conversation with a friend of mine 
recently, that nettime had been quiet lately.. i didn't realise 
there had been troubles!  I do appreciate the behind-the-scenes 
work that goes on to keep things running, though i can well 
imagine the silent masses appreciating nettime in their own heads 
might leave you with a thankless-feeling task.  So thank you!

I don't have much in the way of credentials, but Ted has met me in 
person, and i'd be happy to help out however i can!  I don't know 
that i'd be well-qualified to do much life-breathing into such 
venerable online institutions as nettime, but i'd be happy to 
spend a few hours a week weeding out spam from ham (or flames) for 
example, if that's a helpful activity.

But either way, the efforts of the janitors don't go 
unappreciated.

All the best,
p.

On 2023-04-30 at 20:52 +02, quoth Felix Stalder 
<felix@openflows.com>:
> Dear nettimers!
>
> First of all, thank you Florian for taking the time to care, 
> admits of the other stuff that has been
> going on, to resurrect the list! Kein.org has been a real home 
> for the list for many years, and we
> are grateful for that.
>
> The nettime has been offline for six weeks. The longest in its 
> close to 28 years of
> existence. During those six weeks, only a very small number of 
> people inquired about the
> list. Perhaps most of you simply assumed that the list would 
> reappear and thought that downtime is
> no big deal, or you didn't notice because in the context of 
> information overload, it's hard to
> notice information that is missing.
>
> Either way, it's not the best sign for the vitality of the 
> list. This means, something needs to be
> done. As the janitors of the list -- the list has had no 
> moderators for a couple of years now -- we
> feel that it's our (last) responsibility to initiate this 
> process.
>
> To be blunt: we don't want to continue in the role of care 
> takers. Not out of ill-feeling, but
> because we have done it long enough. Perhaps too long.
>
> So, the options are: someone else steps up and takes over this 
> care-taking role and infuses fresh
> energies into the list, or we close it down.
>
> We are very happy that we can use the list handle this process, 
> rather than go down because of a
> technical issue, but now that the technical stuff is solved, the 
> social can take precedence again.
>
> It's time to step up and care!
>
> As the used to say in the bad old days: Silence = Death. And, we 
> might add, so is hand-wringing.
>
> All the best,
>
> nettime janitors (Ted & Felix)
>
>
> On 30.04.23 17:50, KEIN Florian Schneider wrote:
> > dear all,
> > please accept my sincerest apologies for the long downtime, but 
> > the mail server which hosted
> > nettime-l, as well as many more mailing lists and individual 
> > KEIN mail accounts, crashed after
> > more than 15 years, in mid march.
> > i managed to retrieve and recover almost all data but had to 
> > delay the work on the mailing list
> > server due to an unexpected covid infection over easter. the 
> > good old but unfortunately rather
> > outdated mailman v2, requires a downgraded environment which is 
> > finally up and running now.
> > it looks like nettime-l should work as before.
> > however, please note that the new domain name is: 
> > LISTS.KEIN.ORG <http://lists.kein.org/> and you
> > will receive the mailing list messages from 
> > nettime-l@lists.kein.org
> > <mailto:nettime-l@lists.kein.org>
> > all the best,
> > florian
> > ps: if someone has a proposal for a contemporary mailing list 
> > software that offers comparable and
> > backwards compatible functionality with mailman, please drop me 
> > a line. mailman v3 seems not to be
> > an option and many large lists and their archives experience 
> > the same challenge.
> > ——
> > Florian Schneider
> > fls@kein.org
> > Professor, Norwegian University of Science and Technology 
> > (NTNU)
> > President of the Society for Artistic Research (SAR)
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