Re: <nettime> RIP Bram Moolenaar

[paul van der walt via nettime-l <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org>]

On 2023-08-08 at 09:49 +02, quoth Felix Stalder via nettime-l 
<nettime-l@lists.nettime.org>:
> On 8/7/23 16:25, Ted Byfield via nettime-l wrote:
>
> > For many years, nettime ran on bespoke hacks of Mailman that 
> > allowed
> > mods to use the text editor vim to clean up messy formatting, 
> > hack
> > away at the endless quoted text that accumulated, compile 
> > digests
> > from threads, maintain procmail and spam filters, and more. In
> > different and non-obvious ways, all that tweaking was essential 
> > to
> > the list's...I dunno, style? aesthetic? vibe? It's interesting 
> > to
> > think about what word would express (not "capture," ugh) 
> > whatever all
> > that was. In any event, I think it's fair to say the list 
> > probably
> > wouldn't still exist if it weren't for vim.
>
> Yes, indeed. And it's hard to think of vim without thinking of 
> the late Sven Guckes, one of it's
> most skillful users and educators. He showed us how to use vim 
> to actually create the digests for
> nettime. The pipeline was mailman, vim, mutt, mailman. I think I 
> still have some muscle memory of
> the short-cut sequence. Command-line pleasures.

I'd actually be interested to hear more about what this 
modify-then-send workflow looked like, and why you used it.  Was 
this from a time before Mailman supported digests out of the box? 
Or did you want to do some editorial/curatorial work?  Or simply 
exacting standards for what the final product should look like?

I think Ted mentioned removing deeply-nested quoting, i guess i 
can imagine that going a long way to tidy things up.  Modern mail 
clients especially make it hard to do the bottom-reply thing 
unless you go out of your way, i guess...
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