Re: <nettime> silence on Palestine?

[Brian Holmes via nettime-l <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org>]

Allan, just offlist I wanted to respond to this:

This form of brainwashing is
effective when the public's sense of history is eradicated; for people
who have lived under the yoke of colonialism and various forms of racial
oppression there is still an enduring sense of collective memory and
people, by necessity, continue to engage in various forms of resistance.

I frequently go to Latin America and all I can say is, it's so true!

In line with the earlier remark about the loss of a common world, I want to
make a pitch for collective memory and resistance in the overdeveloped
world.

best, Brian

On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 3:35 PM Allan Siegel via nettime-l <
nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> wrote:

> Dear Nettime,
> Thanks Andrew for opening the door to this discussion!
>
>
> There have been some very thoughtful commentaries on the unfolding
> events; what I find continuously revealing is the language of the
> 'official' narratives from Blinken, Biden, the EU, etc... How persistent
> the language of colonialism is and the ahistorical manner in which these
> events are being discussed. A headline in the Guardian states:
> "*Israel-Hamas war: what has happened and what has caused the conflict?
> **Offensive launched from Gaza represents large failure of Israeli
> intelligence and is likely to have long-lasting repercussions."* Apropos
> of the previous Nettime discussion, the failure of Israeli intelligence
> is blamed on the extensive use of AI. So, not surprisingly, there is a
> contextual link between the previous lengthy discussion and what is now
> unfolding in the 'real' world with life and death consequences.
>
> Also, not surprisingly the U.S. MSM has been blatantly consistent in the
> demonisation of any form of Palestinian resistance - the New York Times
> orchestrates this narrative; always playing the 'antisemitism' /trump/
> card whenever and wherever necessary; this good guy vs. bad guy
> narrative has always been deployed when rebellions erupt because of
> ingrained and systemic violence... This form of brainwashing is
> effective when the public's sense of history is eradicated; for people
> who have lived under the yoke of colonialism and various forms of racial
> oppression there is still an enduring sense of collective memory and
> people, by necessity, continue to engage in various forms of resistance.
>
> Please excuse the fragmentary nature of my thoughts here and I'm
> thankful that Nettime exists has robust forum for these conversations.
>
> best
> allan
>
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> > Dear Nettime,
> >
> > I am not at all surprised by the lack of commentary regarding this
> latest paroxysm of violence. And I do not read it as "silence" in a
> self-censorship sense. Given the political tendencies of list members
> combined with people's baseline intellectual sophistication, I don't
> perceive a lack of commentary as a repressive effect of pro-Israeli
> intimidation, fears of being tarred as anti-Semitic and similar
> speciousness. This is indeed the dynamic in other spheres--political,
> commercial media, etc. But not so much here in our peculiar online niche.
> >
> > Rather, and I put myself as an example, many leftists simply are without
> much new to say. The Hamas offensive was only surprising in its level of
> organization, not in the attack itself. For anybody who's paid attention,
> we knew that Israeli forces had exacted quite a price in lives over the
> last eight or ten months, including the egregious killings of totally
> innocent children and young people, over and above the everyday collective
> punitive treatment Palestinians suffer. The ground level provocations have
> been building over this year, with boiling points exceeded at the Al-Aqsa
> Mosque at least a couple of times. The Israeli aggression seemed to rise in
> parallel with the controversies regarding the Israeli judiciary, a
> conservative religious power grab that if carried through, from the
> Palestinian point of view, portends turbocharged legalized ethnic cleansing
> and dispossession.
> >
> > So when Netanyahu "declared war," my first thought was, what does that
> make the attacks of the last half year, "special military operations"???
> >
> > No, not much to say because it's all playing out according to a
> narrative that remains in broad strokes familiar even a full generation
> after the first Intifada. Whatever retaliation Israel takes, it will be
> ruthless, everybody knew this. Grim-faced Netanyau warning Palestinians
> confined in Gaza to "leave now," as if that were in any way possible,
> sounds to me like a preemptive blaming of the victim for their own
> soon-to-be massacre. But A) Hamas isn't totally suicidal; abducting dozens
> of Israelis to be used as bargaining chips speaks to their desperate belief
> in a future, almost a resignation to their own persistence, since B) as the
> Israelis know better than most anyone, stamping out an entire people is
> damn near impossible in any event.
> >
> > Finally, I might as well share my knee-jerk response to the question
> "Why the silence?" Which is a variation on the phrasing I consider all-too
> familiar: "Why are we not talking about [fill in blank with your choice of
> urgent issue]??" I see this kind of objection to a presumed complacency a
> lot these days, and each time and in regards to whatever issue is being
> raised, there is in the asking of the question a whiff of shaming. The
> question is asked as if "talking about" the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
> helps to solve it. But we know this is not true--I stand by my arguments
> and condemnations of disproportionate Israeli violence and land theft that
> I've made over the years publicly, semi-publicly, and in private, but
> nothing has changed. Not even the opinions of the people I've addressed. So
> what good is the talking for?? In the resorting to the question "Why the
> silence?" there is an ultimate and maybe only definite presumed effect:
> that those of us raising the issues and taking t
>  he right sides (with--as is mandatory in my lefty circles--a sensitivity
> to the legitimate grievances of ALL sides) *purify* ourselves. So there is
> a kernel of understood (neo?)liberal values at the heart of the question:
> that our own personal displays of virtue are the solution to the problem.
> >
> > The BDS movement sought to turn this talk into action, into a material
> consequence for Israel. And we've seen how moves to enact BDS in any
> de-personalized and/or institutional way, even on the smallest, almost
> merely symbolic level, have been repressed. But, sure, let's keep
> talking....
> >
> > So with this response, I've broken my own silence. To which I will now
> return--not out of a discomfort regarding the topic (clearly), but rather
> because I believe "noble silence" is the less disingenuous path when public
> discourse has been so thoroughly degraded of its formerly meaningful role
> in decisions of state, that we are left with only the neoliberal vulgate.
> >
> > All that said, the geopolitical implications are where I have questions.
> The Saudi/Iran fault line seems like a key dynamic here, with Palestinians
> and their legit resistance being used by neighboring powers yet again.
> Despite the timing of the Hamas incursions to launch near the 50th
> anniversary of the Yom Kippur war, the regional balance of power is quite
> different from the post-Soviet era, to say nothing of the pre-Arab Spring
> era, and now, in shadows cast by the Ukraine War. I'm sure the Iranian
> regime is asking itself whether a hot war would help Iran's ruling regime
> consolidate its authority over its restive young people, and at what cost.
> These are the kinds of wider possibilities that I *do* believe are worth
> discussing, mainly because pooling info and perspectives would help (me, at
> least) think through the reverberations of the current conflict--not
> because I'd expect the conversation to affect anything.
> >
> > Signing off with hope (believe it or not),
> >
> > Dan W.
> >
> > Late Postscript: Kudos to all who contributed to the smooth re-boot of
> Nettime. Been here since the late 90s, still ready to add something when
> pricked just so.
> >
> >
> >
>
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