Re: <nettime> the great re-alignment

[David Herzog via nettime-l <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org>]

Dear Jon,

hahaha, I find the Nettime system for replying really confusing, but at least 
this time indeed I have to be embarassed of what I wrote, while I was setting 
up a small note for myself to answer your mail at a later time and forgot to 
change the adressee.

Now I need an immediate answer so that I don't have to feel so ashamed. I've 
really put myself in a forced labour situation that binds me.

Of course, your idea of developing an online counter to what Peter Lamborn 
Wilson called ‘the unchallenged domination of money over people’ is not new, 
but that doesn't change its tremendous necessity.

Would you be so kind as to explain your ideas in more detail?

Also, on my cold ICE journey from Berlin to Munich, I wondered whether it 
would make sense to look up Jaromil's text from the dyne list 2021, when he 
had written a similar foundational text in the midst of the Corona crisis but 
independently of it on why building strong online counter-communities is 
important because of the FLOSS & DEBIAN vs. devuan disputes.

Some old friends and I have been despairing of this task for thirty or more 
years. They ask questions like: 'Waiting for change, is that finally over?'

Whether it makes sense to spread this call by Jaromil from 2021 here, I don't 
know. But at least you have initiated a new mental attempt on my part, for 
which I thank you.

All the best from Munich, where I now have to take care of the four stoves 
that just don't want to give off any more heat.

david




On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Jon Lebkowsky via nettime-l wrote:

> The US has elected a narcissist whose MAGA movement depends on the gravity
> of his strange charisma. Because he's a narcissist, he's self-focused, and
> cares about the movement and the political party he's hijacked only insofar
> as it serves him.  I suspect inevitable in-fighting and fracturing within
> that movement, now that it's "won."  It's fragile, and will become even
> more so if it can't deliver on its promises. I would avoid making too many
> assumptions this early after the election. For my part, I'm working on
> creating some guidance for online communities to form - not social media,
> but actual communities - and thinking about how they might network to
> scale.
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 9, 2024 at 7:09 AM Allan Siegel via nettime-l <
> nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> wrote:
>
> > Hello Brian and Nettimers,
> >
> > Brian commented,
> >
> > "When it comes to national politics, you have to have a
> > shared vision and the beginnings of a shared plan. The vision has to be
> > encompassing enough to eventually constitute a majority."
> >
> > The left (for lack of a more detailed descriptor) in the U.S. is so
> > splintered that it is unable to project on a significant scale "the
> > beginnings of a shared plan." AMEN!
> >
> > AND
> > "Contemporary polarization is spatial and educational."
> >
> > These are very basic points of attack - central to what Project 2025 has
> > in its sights - towards undermining, eradicating, the remaining remnants
> > of civil society and public institutions - especially public schools.
> > The DeSantis program in Florida is a prime example of this. I think I
> > understand better what you mean by 'polarization' - the resistance to
> > the DeSantis program is limited because there is an atomization of the
> > resistance instead of coalitions; Polarities, of one form or another,
> > are fighting individual battles instead of some form of common front.
> > Secondly, I agree that the polarization is spatial and this is extremely
> > important; spatiality in this sense means a systemic delimiting of the
> > public sphere either by the police or by the de facto censoring of
> > information or robust forms of media discourse. We see this in terms of
> > the repression of protests relating to the genocide in Gaza, closing of
> > libraries, and the homogenization of popular culture and means of
> > communication. best for now allan
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