jesse hirsh on Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:57:33 +0200 (CEST) |
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<nettime> zkp6 (was: who would like to translate german -> english?) |
On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, fokky wrote: > >The nettime moderators are now discussing a possible publication which > >will summarize the reports, discussions and analyses of spring 1999. It thank you! it is much needed in the localities where i and i are organizing against this war. the propaganda is intense, and we need some international collaborative text filtering in paper format to be given out at varous events and movement building phenomena. we will have to understand spring 99 during the next years of war. > 1. What do you want to achieve? What is necessary at this moment? More and > more opinions, texts, talks fixed onto soon-to-be-obsolete paper? New > promotion of nettime? The further institutionalization of intellectual > detachment and lameness? I find it rather disheartening to see that all > those weeks of discussion on nettime - dozens of people voicing opinions, > forwarding stuff, etcetera, have produced so little actual working > initiatives out of the community itself that changed things. this is perhaps where the whole internet mythology and online fallacy distort our pereption of our won communities. here in north america the movement against the war is growing at a phenomenal rate, largely on the ground, localized, and quite honestly, all sides (nato, serbia, neither, and even kosovars) have people on the ground. the 'information' that has arrived in my inbox from the nettime list has been by far the best and most lively compared to many top notch north american and european (alternative) news lists. i totally support seeing labour come together and edit the material into a print based collection, that some of here in canada could either obtain, or better yet, have our own small print run, and then get them out to the movements on the ground organizing against the war in canada and parts of the u$. today the globe and mail (news of record in canada) reported that the canadian government, as of yesterday, has officially sent in ground troops, and is planning to send in more. the liberal canucks in power are sending in their officer corps, to get a good grab on the nato and un executive and middle management jobs that will arise with a several year occupation. canada as the colony that produces sycophants for the mpire, and yet is too naiive to be subtle about it, and brag continously in their own media. meanwhile in the same edition of the paper, on the 'toronto' page, there was an article about the 'cost' of policing the daily serbian nationalist demos in toronto which had risen to $1.5million dollars so far, and was increasing by at least $35,000 each night. the police are also claiming that because the numbers of police needed for the serbian demos was so high, no downtown divisions could have cops on the streets at night, and all the petty criminals knew this, and have been on a nightly rampage. all of this after the second night of the nato bombing when the u$ consulate here in toronto was fired bombed (repeatedly) by protestors in the serbian nationalist demo. from that night on the cops have been in military formation establishing a strong perimeter around the daily demos. the spectacle has drawn out how the war is about containment as much as it is about illegal and disruptive flows of all forms. the local anti-war group, which is very large, attracting all sorts, is still dominated by the serbian and international socialist caucuses. no other group has had the time, ability or desire to challenge their strength and numbers in the meetings. a zkp6 would certainly help to displace this balance of power. > And I'm not > referring to the situation in the Balkans even, but to the (local) kind of > attitudes and statements you see and hear when you step outside your front > door, or read the paper or political discussions on usenet, for example. > The hard work is done elsewhere. How influential are we? And how much would > such a publication really contribute in becoming more influential apart > from - again - preaching to the converted? Just a few thoughts, let's not > tap ourselves on the shoulders too much... read on for the more positive > stuff though. --- # distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@desk.nl and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner@desk.nl