Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend?

[martha rosler <navva@earthlink.net>]

hear, hear! i received this post after writing and sending mine, and i
apologize for offering opinions better said by annick bureaud, below.

oh, and i often have to pay by the miinute too... can someone tell me how
to construct a filter?
thanks
martha r


>OK, the "silent mass" is going to take part in the discussion...
>Andreas, Inke, you are right, we need to say what we think too.
>
>I do not post much on this list, only when I have something that I think
>will interest the others. The Syndicate list is a virtual community that
>I enjoyed (as I do with other virtual communities on other topics
>sometimes with other rules). I share Erik and Andreas point of views
>about what the list is about.
>
>Recently, because of NN *flood* of posting, I was about to unsub. But I
>felt I was still interested in the list, so I  filtered out NN mails. I
>hated to have to do this (very simple technically speaking) procedure.
>It was the first time in my whole life that I filtered out mail (online
>as well as offline, I always open every letter, even if I know it is
>junk, I always give people a chance). Moreover, I like mails coming from
>all those many different people bringing projects, ideas, etc. in my
>life.
>
>What I really disliked with NN postings was the FLOOD. Once in a while,
>why not, but minimum 10 per day, as in the last week, come on ! This is
>just a highjack of the list. S/he knew the rules, s/he didn't play by
>it. Too bad.
>
>Those talking about democracy, Socrates and censorship, I would like to
>stress out a point  here, the one between "public" and "private"
>institution, public and private being understood in the French meaning
>of the words :
>* public : everything that belongs and is ruled for the entire national
>community, be it the State or any local authority. This has to maintain
>equal access for everyone, "banning" some one or some voice IS
>anti-democratic because there is no OTHER equivalent place. There is a
>monopoly of the "speaking space" in a "public" organization.
>
>* private : a company, a group of independent people (typically a
>non-profit organization) that gathers together for a specific purpose
>and decide on a common agreement of the common rules. You join if you
>want, you follow the rules. If you stop following the rules, the group
>can decide to exclude you. If you don't like the group any more you can
>just get out. It is not "anti-democratic" as everyone is free to start
>his/her own organization. There is no monopoly (as in the "public"
>sphere) and alternative groups can appear at any time.
>
>On the global, international level of the virtual world, there is no
>"public sphere" (thanks god or any other "spirit"), only "private"
>spheres.  Syndicate is a "private" organizations. It can have
>alternative organizations (and it has, actually, Rhizome, Nettime, to
>name a few).
>
>So, I think that "big" words (fascist !!!) should be kept for "big"
>problems, NN is not a "big" issue, spaming is not appreciated, it kills
>your time (and we all have little), it costs money (yeah, guys, some
>people pay their internet connection by the *time* spent online, and not
>everybody has got a high speed connection !).
>
>And beside anything else, there has been some discussion in the list
>about what to do with NN and his/her posts. Some of you were on
>holidays, even had unsub (why ? were they afraid of the NN posts when
>coming back ? I don't unsub the list when I am away ...), and now they
>are shouting that the decision had been taken by the "dictator Andreas
>and the dictator Inke", come on, what are we talking about ? If you were
>not in the group when this decision was taken, don't say it was not
>democratic (which is the majority of people), just say that you were not
>there. And anyway, 2 or 3 people do not make the majority of the list.
>
>>
>> > the archive should be reopened.
>>
>> sure, why not? Anybody against it?
>
>If I remember well, this part of the archive were closed because it was
>considered that the info was "sensitive" for some people. If it is not
>"sensitive" anymore for those people, it is Ok to reopen it. If there
>are still some potential problems for anyone, keep it closed.
>
>Annick
>
>
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