Re: Syndicate: the NN programme...is old Art...

[furtherfield <info@furtherfield.org>]

Yep it's time for a change Julie - NN has been killing off everyone's space
on this list for far too long (plus its programmers), if we all stand
together against this corporate programme, we can feel free to get on with
our original attentions once again - Ah... I can almost feel the fresh air
coming back into the list again. The stale macho bitter stench of NN will
have to be reprogrammed so to adapt to our intuitive levels if it wants to
be part of real liberation....

We'll see....

best wishes marc garrett


Julie at bluedahlias@mindspring.com wrote:

> Thanks for your intelligent remarks, marc. I'm also very tired of NNs
> vitriolic tidal waves and games of dominance.
> 
> I stated my opinion on the list, but have been hesitant to post more in
> defense of myself and my position, since I thought this would just prolong
> the agony.
> 
> Inke's act of courage in unsubscribing NN has been just the shot in the arm
> that the list needed (scuze my violent metaphor, there), I sense a revival
> of spirit and notice most everyone else has come back.
> 
> Best to you,
> Julie Blankenship
> 
> At 3:18 AM +0000 8/15/01, furtherfield wrote:
>> I did not want to comment or waste my time on this but it seems that I will
>> concede now - and put my head on the block like everyone else has been
>> doing.
>> 
>> The reason is that on rhizome I was attacked personally a few times by NN.
>> I answered thinking that there was an intelligent mind or brain at the other
>> end of the postings, but all I got in return was insults. Soon after that I
>> learnt that NN was a programme.
>> 
>> I am also unhappy about sending this e-mail because NN's protectors will
>> attack me also. A small gang of people who could do better by spending their
>> time not protecting their cyber - jerk (in crowd mob friends, programmers of
>> NN), and actually taking real responsibility and changing the world to be a
>> better place instead. I wish...
>> 
>> It seems to me that nn (the programme) has not been interested in other
>> people's imaginative offerings on the list - other to dish out insults.
>> 
>> NN - is not a human, therefor has no rights.
>> NN - feels no pain,  therefor has no rights.
>> NN - is a weapon designed to distract us, therefor has no rights.
>> 
>> SO wake up everyone - we are all part of a manipulation that is designed to
>> satisfy its programmer's egos.
>> 
>> I do not care what happens to NN, mainly because the programme has no
>> empathy for others.
>> 
>> All this discussion about whether the owners of the list are fascists is
>> absolute gibberish. Such negative comments to people who actually spend a
>> lot of their time maintaining it do not deserve such unfound empty headed
>> right wing rants.
>> 
>> It really pisses me off when you see people trying to do something worth
>> while and watching thugs slamming into them as though they are just dirt.
>> There is no conspiracy going on here other than some liberal, leftist
>> indivuals who quite rightly are worried about stopping freedom of expression
>> as an idea.
>> 
>> Who would you turn to in a time of need or of crisis? It certainly would not
>> be the whimsical NN.
>> 
>> The Syndicate list like many lists have gone through many issues, and this
>> does not warrant the attention.
>> 
>> There are far more urgent problems going on in the real world with real
>> people being bombed, maimed, raped - mostly by dysfunctional insecure males.
>> NN has that type of quality of which I will not miss (whatever sex it has
>> been allocated).
>> 
>> If there is a threat on freedom of expression - it is not on NN. It is on
>> the rest of us not being aloud to carry on exploring our own valid ventures
>> as living breathing individuals, who wish to develop further than a limited
>> programme that far out stayed its presence.
>> 
>> I would rather fight for a life than an idea, religion was an idea and look
>> how that  one is turning out for everyone on this small muddy ball that we
>> call earth.
>> 
>> Don't be fooled by the art project that us (the ginea pigs) have foolishly
>> become part of against our wills - for it will be documented and used
>> against us by the real tyrant(s) in the future - NN's programmers. Who like
>> cowards do not declare their real identities as we all do. As they collect
>> their rewards for being (oh so clever etc) for taking the piss out of people
>> who meant well, they will reap the rewards for our discomfort.
>> 
>> NN will be taken off the list - but not because of any undemocratic or
>> fascistic reason, but because NN is out of date and has served its purpose
>> and the one liner joke is wearing a bit thin now.
>> 
>> We have all moved on and are tired of the childish double feedback (boring)
>> emptiness that dominates the list by NN. Please wake up and realise that we
>> have been part of a cheap game and (seriously) nothing much more than that.
>> 
>> I take issue with one poster mentioning 'Brad Brad' as someone who has
>> caused trouble on listings. I have seen his postings - and I believe that he
>> has at least contributed to discussions via the process of creating
>> discourse that is aimed questioning the power that institutions possess over
>> others lives.
>> 
>> If NN is to stay - then please 'programmers' re-evaluate its purpose and
>> function. Make it question corporate isolationist companies that are ruining
>> peoples lives all other world right now. Go to their listings and bring the
>> content back here for all to debate and take part in. PLease do not let it
>> ruin well meaning debate on creative listings such as this - its not NN's
>> fault, I know that. I'll miss the playful language myself, Its the
>> questionable intentions by the ego-centric opinionated designers (that
>> should be here on this listing taking part in the debate themselves) behind
>> the function and the actions that I am concerned about, whom obviously are
>> not interested in other peoples expressive and creative freedoms.
>> 
>> Lets all move forward (for a change). That's if its alright by the few who
>> will no doubt send hatred e-mails to me for bothering to care about such
>> things.
>> 
>> Tonight Israel is sending tanks into palastinian territories - is NN going
>> to help sort that one out - doubt it.
>> 
>> (When American leaders fund Israeli assassinations of Arab leaders with
>> taxpayer dollars, those American leaders are complicit in those
>> assassinations, and since turnabout is fair play, U.S. leaders open
>> themselves up to their own assassination by the very demon of lawlessness
>> their Israeli partners in crime unleashed in the occupied territories.
>> 
>> Lest the U.S. secret police accuse this writer of advocating or apologizing
>> for the assassination of Americans, I will point out the obvious: all
>> assassinations are wrong. The spread of the contagion of Likud doublethink
>> in the U.S. has caused Americans to subscribe to the racist Talmudic/Zionist
>> double-standard that it is permissible, indeed perhaps even laudable, to
>> assassinate "sub-human" Arab goyim, whereas the assassination of the Chosen
>> terrorist Sharon or his patrons in the U.S. would be deemed a moral outrage
>> of the highest order by the guardians of public opinion in the West.)
>> 
>> 
>> Get a life - there's beautiful out there (what's left of it that is). To
>> continue arguing for and against NN's case would be a case of psychological
>> denial in dealing with issues at hand...
>> 
>> Best wishes to all progressive (humane) thinkers and creative liberationists
>> and anarchists who are causing nayhem where it should be, some where else.
>> Its possiblities are being wasted..
>> 
>> 
>> marc garrett
>> 

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