Andreas Broeckmann on Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:40:14 +0200 (CEST) |
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Re: <nettime> The Sudden Stardom of the Third-World City |
dear rana, dear others, apologies for the three-week lag, but i guess that the topic is big enough to endure some spring inertia. it was interesting and a little surprising to read your response (31 march) since you now mainly talk about a 'feeling' that you have, and what that feeling (also as an historical event in itself) might say about the times we live in. >to me the "feeling" that the third-world metropolis may be, not a place >of sterility, but a place of fertility - and that it may produce futures >for the entire world - is interesting *as a feeling*. it is revelatory >of feelings about the limits to the creative potential of the western >city. it destabilises western narratives of historical development. it >diminishes the western monopoly on modernity and gives birth to a plural >self that might acknowledge other principles. this is definitely an interesting speculation to pursue, but since comparing different cultural situations is complicated, i suggest that this can probably best be done in fiction, rather than in a factual discourse. i wonder though which 'western city' it is that you have in mind when you counterpose it to 'the third-world metropolis'. this is not a polemical remark, since some of the western cities that i have in mind, like Liverpool, Lille, or the Ruhr-City (Duisburg, Essen, Bochum, Wuppertal, Dortmund, etc.) experienced a comparable exponential growth more than a hundred years ago (Essen grew almost tenfold between 1870 and 1930), a growth driven by industrialisation, and in the last decades all of these cities have had to deal with *shrinkage* (if that's a word) - cf http://www.shrinkingcities.com/ for a big research project around this phenomenon. - one can take this as an indication for a specific 'european' experience, connected to its specific instance of 19th/early-20th century industrialisation / modernisation. it's unlikely that early-21st century metropolises would take a similar trajectory. however, it may be worth noticing that (a) the development in these 'western cities' was accompanied by a host of social problems, incl. the evolvement of slums, followed by urbanistic slum clearance programmes, and a host of 'wild' cultural developments (like socialism), some of which changed the world...; and (b), while we are at it, why not also speculate about the future of the 'third-world metropolis' whose growth-rates not only seem untenable, but which might actually turn into something else, disperse, suffer, rejoice, blossom, return, ... >but i think the heightened >"visibility" you talk of is certainly more than simple apocalyptic >euphoria [the third-world city as image of this collective disaster of >globalisation]. no matter how apocalyptic the situation feels, this >theme is about new creatures being born, so it is not an end. agreed. greetings, -a # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net