Re: <nettime> FWD: The Copy Far "AI" license (fwd)

[Christian Swertz via nettime-l <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org>]

Dear Felix,

thank you very much indeed for the answer! Certainly living animals or 
natural things like rocks might have more properties than we know. I'm 
not sure if I would call this a "relational sense", since a relation 
relates relata. And if we assume that we do not know all properties of 
the relata, this must apply to both sides and the relation itself. I 
thus prefer to write that our knowledge is incomplete and the future is 
open - but these are just other words for the same idea.

Did I understand you correctly that violence in form of colonialism, 
sexism and the like is a quality of specific relations? In this case, to 
judge the quality is difficult with the term "relation" since it is the 
thing that should be judged - but again: no doubt that any 
totalitarianism like a unified truth and belief, colonialism, radical 
capitalism and the like must be avoided.

And it is also clear that digital technology does not carry any unknown 
aspect (Turing was pretty clear as far as I see).

But I'm not sure if I understood this one:
> Humans are clearly not distinct from one (as John pointed out) or the 
> other (as Gary pointed out). 

If humans are not distinct from nature and culture there is no open 
ended relation. In contrast, humans, nature, culture and everything else 
must be considered as part of a wholeness. And if there is no 
distinction, autonomy applies to the wholeness only. I thus prefer the 
premise that humans are clearly not distinct AND distinct from nature 
and culture. And use the gaps for some autonomous decisions. Does this 
make sense for you

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Liebe Grüße,

Christian Swertz
https://www.swertz.at

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