<nettime> Chechnya (3x)

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1........."Ivan Zassoursky" <iiz@cnt.ru>
2.........Slobodan Markovic <twiddle@EUnet.yu>
3.........Jeff Gandy <jeff@mindspear.com>




From: "Ivan Zassoursky" <iiz@cnt.ru>
To: <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>
Subject: Chechnya - really another stupid war
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 18:26:52 +0300

Press - is one of my mail accounts, I used it accidentally.

My name is Ivan Zassoursky, and I am Russian.

Chechnya is a problem. War is a problem too. Two wrongs, you see...

Military people see war as a solution. But in fact it's a comitment. And
really one of those I wouldn't like to make.

How do you make a small nation submit, capitulate?

If you mail me some examples for the last century, I may change my mind,
but so far this war lookes rather hopeless. And what is worse - it is the
second one.

You see, these terrorist attacks and Dagestan episode are definitevily a
part of some plan. But I don't know, who is running it. I really don't
know. And I am not paranoid - simply these thigs coinsided too well.

Cheers from the natives.

By the way, nice things are on the way. Russian army has to take over a
huge city right now to let the forces stay for the winter. Prime minister
Putin is in a hurry and under big international pressure.

Let's see what happens next.

iz

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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 14:25:17 +0100
From: Slobodan Markovic <twiddle@EUnet.yu>
Message-ID: <10600.991107@eunet.yu>
To: nettime <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>
Subject: That Chechenya thing...

Last night I've been enjoying in a dinner with my girlfriend when a
neighbor came in a short visit. He just dropped by to arrange some meeting
with my father later this week. From the dining room I could hear a part of
their conversation:

Father: OK, but why can't you stay a bit longer? On a coffee? Neighbor: I
have to run home. I want to see those terrorists on TV? Father: What
terrorists? Neighbor: You did not hear?!? During the recent fightings in
Chechenya, Russian military forces captured some video tapes made by
Chechenyan terrorists. They were taking pictures of massacre and torture of
the people they kidnapped... Can you imagine?

My gosh, I thought for a second, not again... Every time when a certain
power structure needs support for their actions, they come up with some
(handy) set of shocking pictures. After such films it's hard to stay cool
and unbiased.

In all Balkan crises during the 90es all sides in conflict were playing
similar films on their TV stations. Even if the charming anchors always
warned parents to put children away from the TV sets (because of the
disturbing pictures), the real (government's) message was: "NO! LET THE
KIDS SEE WHAT THOSE FUCKING BASTARDS DID TO OUR INNOCENT AND UNARMED
PEOPLE!"

I'm not arguing if those films were true or false, but their real purpose
was, without any doubt, to spread and enlarge hate for the other side in
the conflict.

So I decided to prolong the dinner and not watch that bloody movie.

But, from the dinning room I could still hear the sound coming from the TV
set. I was lucky because I don't understand Russian language, but
unfortunately my girlfriend does. I asked her what was happening and she
said - It's something like: "No, don't beat me... Please... NOOOOO, don't
cut my finger away... NOOOOO!"

Then I felt my dinner was over and we immediately went outside for a while
to pick up some fresh air. Even the strong and cold wind that was blowing
outside was better that watching "a massacre by Chechenyan terrorists".

That Chechenya thing was pretty far from me. I did not know much about the
conflict's background, so I finally realized how the average Americans and
the other NATO countries' citizens felt during the Kosovo war, after seeing
similar "educative" movies provided by their governments...

The present situation in Chechenya is hard, so it's on Kosovo and some 1000
more places on Earth. BUT PLEASE - don't let the hate of any kind overtake
your heart and mind!

That is really the single most important thing in life! Everything else
depends on that!

Greetings,

              Slobodan Markovic (mailto:twiddle@eunet.yu)
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               politics: http://solair.eunet.yu/~twiddle
               internet: http://www.internodium.org.yu


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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 21:51:47 -0700
From: Jeff Gandy <jeff@mindspear.com>
To: nettimes_digestive_system <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Chechnya (2x)


Here's one

http://members.xoom.com/082499/aviation/chechnya/cindex.htm
Good site for military info.

Jeff G.



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