[Nettime-nl] arrogant? Just sh*t scared | Re: facebook? exit! | Re: Alan Shapiro ...

["Richard Reekers" <r.reekers@chello.nl>]

Dear Mr. Shapiro and dear NL-Nettimers,



Thanks for the quick replies. While away for middle class-life groceries (on 
Saturday!), the turbulence looks like NL-Nettime in the old days ;)  For Mr. 
Shapiro: I copy/pasted other replies until now underneath. (It looks as if i 
am fighting windmills again  - and again, and again, and ...)



As one of the first social media-users, I do not consider myself as a 
purist. Social media are community binding and very interesting phenomena. 
Full stop.



I quit facebook (at http://www.quitfacebookday.com/ ) because of the privacy 
hassle at that time, but forealmost because of the missed opportunity of 
this enormous internet company for reasons I've given in the first posting.



Collaborating, even by appointing to a FB-posting done by a third party, 
with this heavy influential company is keeping this way of thinking alive. 
Especially done by an opinionleader on the/a future.



I am shit scared of "transhumanists". Their motto: "If it technology-wise 
can be done, then it will be done" - eventually leading to Dyson Spheres and 
Type III civilisations of Kardesjev (see links underneath).

The facebook-way, especially facebook, warms-up for such a future; this 
company is oblivious for its influence and later-on implications just by 
acting as a classic/traditional moneymaker. Am I arrogant? So be it then.



"Brainbuilder" prof Hugo de Garis in two minutes about the topic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A_5-Van9m4




And yes, I use Google products and yes, especially after the first of this 
month also they seems to close the privacy net. But still, they have got a 
future view (not to say 'vision') ánd they at least pretend to use their 
media power to something else besides that one world topic today:  money.

http://youtu.be/uDDy7QSdt6A ("Solve for X")



Anyhow, with a firm confidence in a good - whatever that may be - future, I 
sign,

Future Community NewDay.nl | ETLD Group



Richard Reekers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere



NewDay.nl/ETLD promoting organic evolution

http://www.etld.nl/thecorporation/organicevolution.html



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geert Lovink" <geert@xs4all.nl>
To: <nettime-nl@nettime.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Nettime-nl] facebook? exit! | Re: Alan Shapiro in Amsterdam


Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Alan Shapiro" <Alan.Shapiro@gmx.de>
> Date: 3 March 2012 5:48:56 PM
> To: "Geert Lovink" <geert@xs4all.nl>
> Subject: How do I post my reply?
>
> Reply to Richard Reekers:
>
> It's not my facebook page, so pay more attention to details before  you 
> jump onto your preaching soap box.
>
> I share many of the criticisms of facebook that you express, but  unlike 
> you, I am not a purist. I participate in things of which I am  critical. I 
> live in this world. And I don't look for opportunities,  like you just 
> did, to instantly switch contexts and mouth off about  my pet concerns. 
> Your tone and style are arrogant.
>
> Alan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: theo ploeg
To: Richard Reekers
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Nettime-nl] facebook? exit! | Re: Alan Shapiro in Amsterdam


Point taken. On the other hand: the event(s) itself at Rietveld look pretty 
interesting to me.


theo


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Rosa Menkman
To: r.reekers@chello.nl ; nettime-nl@nettime.org
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 5:40 PM
Subject: RE: [Nettime-nl] facebook? exit! | Re: Alan Shapiro in Amsterdam


I think Shapiros blog says: "More information at Facebook about the event"
I took a look at the Facebook page and it is actually made by someone that 
plans or works for the 3 day event, not by Shapiro. Moreover, it does't say 
anything more about Shapiros lecture, Shapiros blog post is more informative 
about this. All information that is at the facebook page (except for people 
RSVP-ing, which is not necessary, just a social marketing and information 
scraping tool) is actually also available at the second link Shapiro offers 
you in his email.
http://allevents.in/Amsterdam/AGE-ISM-Lecture-Series-March-14,-21-and-28,-The-Dirty-Art-Department/276319435772256


At the midst of cumulative developments and at the dawn of unprecedented 
times I think it is important to read with care and criticize the right 
people by asking the right questions, instead of ejecting or as you say 
"exit Shapiro".


Warmly,
Rosa
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(RR: Quick and untouched translation with Google Translate)
---- Original Message -----
From: <elout>
To: "Richard Reekers" <r.reekers@chello.nl>
Cc: <nettime-nl@nettime.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Nettime-nl] facebook? exit! | Re: Alan Shapiro in Amsterdam

> Could be an interesting discussion.
>
> Personally, I'm like, use any technology platform or in your own way
> Advantage and voices heard?
>
> I must say that I add-block, among others. like all of facebook
> Path filter.
>
>
>
> (Just as Richard ny E-mail uses Chello / UPC as E-mail?) 

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