Re: <nettime> silence on Palestine?

[Keith Sanborn via nettime-l <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org>]

It’s not a question of “giving it back”—though there are certainly legal arguments for that—it’s a question of abiding by historical agreements and stopping the choking the life out of the occupied territories. The current right wing government has allowed settler terrorism and murder. I can’t justly murder but I can certainly understand that this is the response to daily historical wrongs. You need to spend time in the west bank to understand the daily drop by drop torture seasoned with occasional murder or land seizures that make every day life unsustainable. And this is all by design. Deliberately allowing less than the humanitarian minimum of food to enter the territories and crippling all attempts at creating self-sustaining food supplies. Historical experience has been a very efficient and evil teacher. 

And yes some land and resources can and are being “given back” to the indigenous inhabitants of the “North American“ continent. You might want to consult the New Red Order “Give it back” campaign. Tongue in cheek and yet deadly serious. I am not virtue signaling just saying that the impossible can be possible. If only at the beginning in small inadequate but symbolic ways. 

> On Oct 8, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Heiko Recktenwald via nettime-l <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> wrote:
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> Am 08.10.23 um 17:35 schrieb Andrew Ross via nettime-l:
>> So why the silence?
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> When I looked into my mails this thread was hidden inside of another and when I saw what I saw I asked myself the same question. For me it would have been ok. Because reading twitter had made me upset. Forced solidarity with Israel. I had decided myself.
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> There is a triade of Clausewitz, hate, freedom and politics in war and all at the same time and I dont like the first element. Thats why I dont like the Cossacks and their unitarian state with one language of the state. I prefer Catherine II and Richelieu, a federation and two languages of the state. You cannot give the US back to the Indians. And you cannot give Israel back to the Palestinensians. I dont think the Cossacks have a iusta causa.
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> Hamas has a lot of good reasons for "resistance" but I dont think hunting civilians is a good idea. All very difficult. In a perfect world Hamas would sit in the Knesset and discuss problems with the other parties of Great Israel or however such a state would be called. But they may not want it and the other parties may not want it as well. So maybe the war without end will never be over.
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