Re: <nettime> silence on Palestine?

[Andrew Ross via nettime-l <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org>]

 Re: Land Back, it is technically feasible for vast numbers of Palestinians
to return to their former villages. Salman Abu-Sitta has done decades of
meticulous research on demography and geography to show that most of of the
areas depopulated in 1948 remain so. 88% of Israeli Jews live on only 12%
of Israeli land, and the vast majority of that is land that was Jewish
before 1948. As for the rest, Israeli Palestinians live on some of that
land, and its overall expanse could easily accommodate large numbers of
refugees who want to return to their former homes. In the case of Gazans,
that would only require a short bus ride. One of the many things missing in
the coverage of this weekend's events is the joy experienced by Gazans who
were able to return, either in person or by proxy, to their homelands for
the first time since 1948. They were also there to take hostages for
exchange so that thousands of Palestinian prisoners detained without trial
are able to return to their own homes.

We can call this "Land Back" as if it were some newly engineered, or
radical and therefore impractical, policy of reparations. But Resolution
194, which enshrined the right to return as a bedrock principle of refugee
policy, was adopted by the UN General Assembly 85 years ago..

For Abu-Sitta's work, at the Palestine Land Society, see
https://www.plands.org/en/home

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On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 11:32 PM Keith Sanborn via nettime-l <
nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> wrote:

> It’s not a question of “giving it back”—though there are certainly legal
> arguments for that—it’s a question of abiding by historical agreements and
> stopping the choking the life out of the occupied territories. The current
> right wing government has allowed settler terrorism and murder. I can’t
> justly murder but I can certainly understand that this is the response to
> daily historical wrongs. You need to spend time in the west bank to
> understand the daily drop by drop torture seasoned with occasional murder
> or land seizures that make every day life unsustainable. And this is all by
> design. Deliberately allowing less than the humanitarian minimum of food to
> enter the territories and crippling all attempts at creating
> self-sustaining food supplies. Historical experience has been a very
> efficient and evil teacher.
>
> And yes some land and resources can and are being “given back” to the
> indigenous inhabitants of the “North American“ continent. You might want to
> consult the New Red Order “Give it back” campaign. Tongue in cheek and yet
> deadly serious. I am not virtue signaling just saying that the impossible
> can be possible. If only at the beginning in small inadequate but symbolic
> ways.
>
> > On Oct 8, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Heiko Recktenwald via nettime-l <
> nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> wrote:
> >
> > Am 08.10.23 um 17:35 schrieb Andrew Ross via nettime-l:
> >> So why the silence?
> >
> >
> > When I looked into my mails this thread was hidden inside of another and
> when I saw what I saw I asked myself the same question. For me it would
> have been ok. Because reading twitter had made me upset. Forced solidarity
> with Israel. I had decided myself.
> >
> >
> > There is a triade of Clausewitz, hate, freedom and politics in war and
> all at the same time and I dont like the first element. Thats why I dont
> like the Cossacks and their unitarian state with one language of the state.
> I prefer Catherine II and Richelieu, a federation and two languages of the
> state. You cannot give the US back to the Indians. And you cannot give
> Israel back to the Palestinensians. I dont think the Cossacks have a iusta
> causa.
> >
> >
> > Hamas has a lot of good reasons for "resistance" but I dont think
> hunting civilians is a good idea. All very difficult. In a perfect world
> Hamas would sit in the Knesset and discuss problems with the other parties
> of Great Israel or however such a state would be called. But they may not
> want it and the other parties may not want it as well. So maybe the war
> without end will never be over.
> >
> >
> >
> > H.
> >
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